11th February, 1936

Talk 158.

Mr. Frydman: Janaka was a Jnani ^[?] and still he ruled his dominions.

Does not action require activity of the mind? What is the rationale of the working of a jnani's mind?

M.: You say, "Janaka was a Jnani and yet active, etc." Does Janaka ask the question? The question is in your mind only. The Jnani is not aware of anything besides the Self. He has no doubts of the kind.

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D.: Probably it is like a dream. Just as we speak of our dreams, so they think of their actions.

M.: Even the dream, etc. is in your mind. This explanation too is in your mind only.

D.: Yes. I see. All is Ramana-Maya - made up of the Self.
M.: If so, there will be no duality and no talk.
D.: A man, on realising the Self, can help the world more effectively.

Is it not so?

M.: If the world be apart from the Self.