9th September, 1938

Talk 511.

Major Chadwick had translated Na karmana na prajaya … into English. Sri Bhagavan was explaining its meaning. Brahmaloka may be interpreted subjectively or objectively. The latter meaning requires faith in the sastras which speak of such lokas, whereas the former meaning is purely of experience and requires no external authority. Brahmaloka would mean Brahma jnana (Knowledge of Brahman) or Self-Realisation (Atma-Sakshatkara). Parantakala as opposed to aparantakala. In the latter the jivas pass into oblivion to take other births. Their oblivion is enveloped in ignorance (avidya ^[?]).

Para ^[?] is beyond the body. Parantakala is transcendence over the body, etc., i.e., jnana (knowledge). Paramritat prakriteh = beyond prakriti ^[?]. Sarve implies that all are qualified for knowledge and liberation (moksha ^[?]). yatayah = yama niyama sametah sat purushah = good men well disciplined. The whole passage implies passing into the real beyond the unreal.

na karmana na prajaya dhanena tyagenaike amritatvamanasuh

parena nakam nihitam guhayam, vibhrajate yadyatayo visanti
vedanta vijnana sunishchitarthah sanyasayogadyatayah

shuddha satvah

te brahmaloke tu parantakale paramritat parimuchyanti sarve

dahram vipapam paravesmabhutum yat pundarikam

puramadhya samstham

tatrapi dahram gaganam visokastasmin

yadantastadupasitavyam

yo vedadau svarah prokto vedante cha pratishtitah tasya

prakritilinasya yah parah sa Mahesvarah
[Deathlessness is not obtained through action or begetting offspring or wealth. Some attain that state through renunciation.

The Sages (that have conquered the senses) attain that Sat ^[?] which is more supreme than Heaven and shining all alone in the Heart.

The adepts who by renunciation and one-pointedness are pure in heart and have known the certainty of Truth by the special knowledge
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proclaimed by Vedanta, get fully released in the Brahmaloka from the causal Maya ^[?] at the dissolution of the body. That alone which shines as the tiny Akasa ^[?]void of sorrow, in the lotus heart, the tiny seat of the spotless Supreme in the (inner) core of the body is worthy of worship. He alone is the Supreme Lord, who is beyond the Primal Word which is the beginning and end of the Veda and in which merges the creative Cause].

Mr. T. K. S. Iyer later asked something about muktaloka (region of liberated souls). Sri Bhagavan said that it meant the same as Brahmaloka.
D.: Asked if some sukshma tanu (subtle body) such as pranava tanu

or suddha tanu (tanu = body; suddha ^[?] = pure) was required to gain such loka ^[?].

M.: Pranava ^[?] means real japa. It is however interpreted to be A, U, M,

Nada ^[?] and Bindu ^[?]. Of these, the first three are interpreted as Visva,

Taijasa, Prajna and Virat, Hiranyagarbha, Isvara, Nada and Bindu

correspond to prana ^[?]and manas (mind). The Mandukya Upanishad speaks of the three matras and turiya

matra. The final meaning is that it represents the real state. To a further question, Bhagavan answered: There are said to be Panchapada Mahavakyani (mahavakyas ^[?] with five words) e.g. , Tattvamasi atinijam (`you are that' is the great truth). The first three words have their lakshya artha (significance) all of which signify only the one Truth. So many efforts and so much discipline are said to be necessary for eradicating the non-existing avidya!